I thought I had made it when I was 30. I was in New York; I had my own ensemble. Of course I had a day job, but I didn’t count that as a deficit. I counted that as my insurance as to being able to make a living. I was writing music, I was doing tours, I was playing concerts. I had a small audience, but they were constantly growing. I was on the radio all the time, because I would go to a town and wherever I was, St. Louis or Minneapolis or wherever I was, and I’d find the university radio station and go on the radio. I thought I was successful when I was in my 30s. In other words, I didn’t measure it by whether I had a day job or not.